Talk:iPod

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To-do list for IPod:
  • Add the fact that there is no custom equalizer on the iPod, only presets, under the "Equalizer" section
  • Try to add references to un-referenced paragraphs
  • Keep updated (new models, sales info, etc.).
    • Add Toyota to brands of automobile makers offering iPod interface to car stereo (not default in all models, must be purchased separately, but is available)
  • hotlink/cross-reference word "iPhone"
  • Add in the battery life for the various models (in the model matrix). Battery column added 11/01/07.
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  • Remove InfoBox at the top of the article
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[edit] ipod sound quality

any sources for sound quality of current generation ipods? as far as i can see they still sound poor. why is this? corporate neglect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.168.112 (talk) 11:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Find some good sources, and it can go in the article. Otherwise, you just come across as a troll. AlistairMcMillan (talk) 19:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

ipod's are great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.8.15 (talk) 08:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

its just from personal experience. i have both apple and sony products, the ipods total package is superior, but its sound is definitely cut off compared to the sony. sadly there don't seem to be any tests recently that i know of. its just odd apple would let it this issue fester. i have no problem with apple, i just want them to fix this so i can feel good about giving them my money again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.168.29 (talk) 09:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the equalizer distorting things if bass is increased, it is suggested that "One possible workaround is to reduce the volume level of the songs by modifying the audio files." Shouldn't it also be mentioned that you could simply lower the levels of all the other bands, effectively making bass louder than them but without increasing any beyond 0dB and causing distortion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.245.211 (talk) 10:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed the rather poor sound quality as well. It's usually due to either:

  • One song may be WAY louder than the preceding song, causing major clipping. Enable "Sound Check".
  • A song may be heavy in a certain frequency, and there's no custom EQ option. This is irritating, but there's no fix...only the presets.

Sidriley (talkcontribs) 07:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "The Beat Goes On" Conference

Someone sohuld make something about how the name of the "Beat Goes On" conference fueled the rumors that The Beatles' catalog will be added to the iTunes Store, because the name of the conference is also the last name of an article about the Beatles' break-up. Moreno Valley User (talk) 02:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wanted: Feature-set Comparison Table

I would like to see an undocumented feature-set comparison table of the various Pixo OS based iPods (As of this writing, all iPods but the Touch and the iPhones appear to be Pixo OS based.). For example, I am trying to determine which models (and corresponding OS revisions) support the Skip Count feature of iTunes 7. Another example is that 1G and 2G iPods did not support On-The-Go playlists. Chris Murphy (talk) 06:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

That has the potential to get too detailed. Just document it in the respective generation section for the respective iPods Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 18:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Technical mediawiki question about the lower case i

Sorry this isn't about iPods but I could use technical assistance on another article and this looked like a possible source of expertise. I'm trying to cleanup the article Coffeeheaven which should not start with a capital C. But the mediawiki software won't let me move the article to coffeeheaven. I have no idea how to get it to show it as lower case as it does here at the top of the page with the lower case i in iPod. Help appreciated. Thanks. -- SiobhanHansa 17:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Just add {{Lowercase}} to the top of the article and talk page. -- Vary | Talk 17:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
In hindsight that's pretty obvious I should have guessed! Thank you. -- SiobhanHansa 18:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
It's actually lowercase, not Lowercase. Lady Galaxy 00:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The ipod is the hottest mp3 on the market of 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.150.12.101 (talk) 19:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] are we allowed to add external links?

hi my name is glenn and i have been recenlty trying to add an external link to th ipod page on an article which talks about the dark side of the apple iPod. the moderator Esanchez7587 kept on reporting me as Spam.

i feel this is highly unfair as the article is highly informative and it is based on facts. if you wish to read it the address is http://glennforever.com/webarticles/iPoddarkside.htm

i would deeply apprecite your help and that is why i am posting the link here before posting it on the main page

Thankyou 210.214.80.124 (talk) 19:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sort of. See Wikipedia:External links, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, and Wikipedia:Spam.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 20:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "mcdonalds" vandalism in introduction

"Apple focused its development on the iPod's unique user interface and its ease of use, rather than on mcdonalds."

Could anyone please revert to the last edit before this vandalism was inserted? Some proofreading for further discreet vandalism like that would also be appreciated! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.216.72.122 (talk) 21:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This is crazy

I spent over 3 hours trying to convey my point across about how iPods make great self defense weapons. And all you WM's (Wiki Masters) do is crush my dreams and ruin perfectly good opportunities for regular people to protect themselves. How is it illogical to tape an iPod to a bomb or gun for stylish self defense? This is absurd. I believe I should be able to express perfectly good uses for iPods. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.13.233 (talk) 03:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

If you have so much time and writing skills available, why not put them to good use? There are many articles in Wikiopedia that could use some improvement. From proofreading to researching a subject to fill in missing information, there are many constructive ways to contribute. -- Tcncv (talk) 03:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
For instance, Tcncv's responses to other's posts. See "Wikiopedia." dwilczyn (dwilczyn|talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spam removal

Just wanted a note made that I edited the iPod article to remove spam that was posed at the top. --RyanKlein (talk) 04:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] iPod Repair and Parts

iPods can be repaired in almost any case. Every part of a ipod can be easily exchanged with new parts that can be bought online within the USA. Alternatively, iShopRepair.ca in Toronto, Canada will upgrade or repair any iPod and provide a one year warranty.

[edit] Use of "classic"

(I'm new, please be gentle)

Many places in this article (and others), "classic" is used for iPods which are not the mini, nano, touch or iPhone. Also in this article, the classic is called the 6th generation.

"fifth generation iPod classic"

Neither of these are really correct. The classic (and the only classic) is the latest 80GB and 160GB iPods. There is no 5th gen classic The previous iPods are not "classics".

In the table of models, next to the sixth gen iPod (which is incorrect), it states "Introduced the "classic" suffix." It's not a suffix, it's the correct name of the latest version of the iPod.

Yeah, I think Apple messed up by not sticking with a decent model name by using "iPod with clickwheel", "iPod with color display", "5th gen iPod with video", etc. but simply slapping "classic" on all iPods in wikipedia is not correct. I see there has been some previous discussion of this.

Chrisca123 (talk) 21:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 5.5 Generation iPod

In the entry in the table for the 5th generation iPod, it makes mention that a later version had a "search" feature and is sometimes called a 5.5 generation iPod. That '5.5' generation iPod also had a brighter screen as well as improved battery life.

It is referenced in this CNet article:

http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/apple-ipod-fifth-generation/4505-6490_7-32069546.html

I don't have an account so I can't add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.135.181 (talk) 15:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Docking Compatabilty

The Post on the Nano, Second Generation (2006), indicated a change in the 4 pin connector. I have a 2nd generation Nano and need (please) to know if a docking connector in my car that works with this Nano will be compatible with a 5.5 (2006) Generation Video? Please, please help me. Way too much time and money spent without an answer. Thanks, Eric67.174.127.130 (talk) 06:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:NOT Machete97 (talk) 22:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] They are not all called iPod Classic

Whoever wrote this page dosesn't know what they are talking about. iPod Classic was the name given to the current generation of the iPod
not the whole back-catalogue. if you look on the apple website they refer they previous models as ipod 5th gen, ipod 4th gen etc.
They don't call them iPod classic 5th gen, iPOD Classic 4th gen etc. and with the new model they just call it iPod Classic not iPod classic 6th gen.
THIS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED I HAVE CHANGED THIS NOW ON THE IPOD CLASSIC PAGE

--92.11.168.233 (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


Not sure. Before Mac OS 8, it wasn't called Mac OS, just System. Yet apple chose to keep their version numbers. However, the iPod classic didn't have a huge hard drive (it's major feature) before they renamed it classic. Is it still the same product, people? Semicolons (talk) 19:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I seem to remember going through this before, and trying to point out the same thing (that a Clickwheel iPod is not a "classic", for example), but whatever passed for "consensus" kept it the way it is. *shrug* – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 01:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Consensus was derived because in the announcement for the iPod classic, Jobs used the "iPod classic" term as a retronym. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 17:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello People (reccomendaytions)

Geez ipod nano and video and classic have all been good for people i know so if you are thinking of getting one i would highly recommend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.62.213 (talk) 00:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I know you were trying to help people, and yes the iPod is a great media player, but as far as Wikipedia is concerned, there's no need to have these comments on talk pages. Just a bit of good practice, no offence meant. Semicolons (talk) 19:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of iPods

The article mentions the nano, touch, classic and shuffle.
Should the iPhone be included? It has iPod capabilities, an icon labelled "iPod" on the home screen, yet Apple gives it a separate section on their website. Let me know what you think.
Semicolons (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] nowhere in this article is a mentioning of ipodlinux to be found

nowhere in this article is a mentioning of ipodlinux to be found. Please fix this. Thanks;

81.246.175.32 (talk) 19:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] (BAD)STYLIZATION

I have to say, I'm not a fan of the rendering of Product Red in the article as (PRODUCT)RED. There's probably some precedent for it in the Wiki style guide, but I'm not particularly familiar with it. I think it should just be rendered as normal words rather than in the same gimmicky way the Product Red wordmark is.203.87.6.149 (talk) 15:10, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Could someone be so kind as to add the image "ipodlineup.jpg" as the main picture?

It is locked for me but I'd appreciate if someone would do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuneIsFail (talkcontribs) 18:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Failure Rate Per What?

Quoting the article: "A 2005 survey conducted on the MacInTouch website found that the iPod had an average failure rate of 13.7%."

This is not clear to me. Failure rate per what? Per 1000 hours use? Per annum? 13.7% don't work at all?

Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 14:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The cited Macintouch article explains the figure. 13.7% of iPods were reported as having failed to work. But if I'm reading correctly this figure includes iPods that failed because they were dropped or iPods that still work but have short battery lifes or iPods that were sent back to Apple and worked on being returned even though Apple reported finding no problems (i.e. PEBKAC errors). AlistairMcMillan (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What happened with the iPod nano scratch class action?

The suit was initiated in October 2005, but I can't find anything on it aside from sites reporting that the suit had been filed, and although Jason Tomczak was the named plaintiff he wasn't actually involved. Does anyone know what happened? AlistairMcMillan (talk) 20:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] the new lead image

...with the wikipedia logos, is, IMHO, a step backwards from even the blurred screens. now there's absolutely no indication of the native resolution, as the logos have just been pasted in right over there. i'm not sure this is a good thing. – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 13:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't Apple have a copyright on the iPod design? Why is it okay to show the device but not the content of the screen? Surely if we have to blur the screen content we should be blurring the whole device? I don't get it and I'm not sure if I want to. AlistairMcMillan (talk) 22:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the short answer is... its not that simple due to the specifics of the wonderful US and international copyright laws and the different ways they apply to different "works". I'm not a fan of any of the blurring, if you take a picture of another phone, or GPS such as this: Image:TomTomOne.jpg, its interface is not blurred, even though it makes up most of the image... – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 03:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Blurring the image was a bit silly. We are perfectly allowed to display the screens of the iPod, according to fair use. The reason the original image got blurred on Commons is that Commons does not utilize fair use images. Then the En Wikipedia image got deleted mistakenly as a duplicate of the one on Commons, even though the English WP one was not blurred. Someone with admin rights (hint hint) should undelete the original unblurred image and restore it to the article. --C S (talk) 06:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Having a blurred screen image and having a Wikipedia image are both inaccurate and really distracting. If we can't accurately display what's on the screen, we shouldn't show anything. Just have a blank screen. —Werson (talk) 16:42, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Undeleted the original unblurred image. AlistairMcMillan (talk) 16:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] iPod Linux

please could sombody add the alternate operating system for iPods, iPod Linux. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albino#FFFFFFrabbit (talkcontribs) 17:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sterling Silver iPod

I remember a few years ago there was a competition promoted on free-to-air TV (in Australia) with the top prize being an iPod with the chrome back replaced with one made from sterling silver. I distinctly recall this because I was already aware of the difficulty in obtaining a repaired/replacement iPod if it had been engraved, and I wondered how much longer it would take if your prize iPod ended up being faulty.

I know this is ephemera/trivia but this information is the kind of thing I have come to expect on WP articles.

Does anyone have any more details about the promoter or the prize?

Connectionfailure (talk) 05:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Definite article again

So I've read through the previous arguments, and I understand the whole brand-versus-product thing. But look at some of these sentences:

Uncharacteristically, Apple did not develop iPod's software entirely in-house

iPod is a brand. It does not have software. This should be "Apple did not develop the software for the iPod line entirely in-house".

iPod can play several audio file formats

iPod is a brand. It cannot play anything. This should be "the iPod line can play several audio file formats".

iPod shuffle does not have a click wheel

The iPod Shuffle is a product. This should be "The iPod Shuffle does not have a click wheel".

iPod touch uses no buttons for any of these functions

The iPod Touch is a product. It should be "The iPod touch uses no buttons for any of these functions".

With the advent of the Windows-compatible iPod, iPod's default file system

iPod is a brand. It does not have a file system. This should be "With the advent of the Windows-compatible iPod, the iPod line's default file system".

simply copying audio or video files to the drive with a typical file management application will not allow iPod to properly access them

iPod is a brand. It cannot access files. This should be "simply copying audio or video files to an iPod with a typical file management application will not allow the player to properly access them".

Et cetera. If there are no objections to fixing these I'm going to go through the article and do so. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I've now implemented this along with two additional changes:
  1. I've used the term "an iPod" instead of "the iPod" in some places where the whole line is included. This just adds a bit of variation.
  2. I've capitalised "iPod Shuffle", "iPod Nano" et cetera using normal title case with the first-letter exemption, per MOS:TM. I'm leaving notes of the talk pages of the affected models to have their articles moved to the appropriate titles.
Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
So why is it that its OK to ignore typical capitalization for "iPod" and not "iPod nano"? What's different there? Just curious... – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 20:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
We've got a specific exemption for iWhatever because it's used almost universally and it's embedded into the modern consciousness. We have no such exemption for other typographical quirks. Looking through the kind of sources normally used to establish modern style guidelines, every one uses "iPod" exclusively, while support for dropping the second capital is much spottier (BBC uses it exclusively, NYT slips up on blogs, WSJ / WaPo ignore it). Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 07:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article Name Change

I'm suggesting that this article be named iPod Family Mavericklovesipod (talk) 23:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Not the most common name. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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